Ok, got the dash out. Not as hard as getting it out of the black car but I guess I learned a few things from that.
[email protected]#k!!!! "Well there's ya problem!". I don't even own a pen like that. A time bomb from the previous owner?
HMM. I was going to replace the air distribution box but I am reticent to disturb the seals and things. I was expecting it to be some kind of failure of the 'box.
I think I will just flush out the evaporator with alcohol to remove any contaminants. The TX valve seems to be working OK, so I will just leave things the way they are.
Well next is to put the dash back!!
So lets have a look and see what our problem with the air distribution is.
WHAT THE PROVERBIAL G'day
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- Gearbox: Automatic PRND
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- Year: 2003 (53)
- Engine Size: 1.4 (8v)
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- Mileage: 80000
- Gearbox: Automatic PRND
- DPF: No
- LHD or RHD: RHD
- Engine name: TU3 (75 PS)
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Hmm while looking at the two dashes, I noticed the wiring harnesses were different. For the later model (2005) the connector for the climate control was missing. Well, missing from the BSI harness.
It's not a problem, I will just swap the looms over, from one dash to the other.
On the earlier model (2003) the connector was on the loom from the BSI. But on the 2005 loom it wasn't there. Of course it must be somewhere, it connects into the aircon/blower/control panel wiring loom. I did not pay attention when I was removing the dash from the 2005 car. It might have something to to with the fact that one has climate control and the other has just manual control? I don't think so, I think it's a revision that they made to the wiring.It's not a problem, I will just swap the looms over, from one dash to the other.
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- Gearbox: Automatic PRND
- DPF: No
- LHD or RHD: RHD
- Engine name: TU3 (75 PS)
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While I have the dash out and better access to the BSI I'm going to remove it and poll the EEPROM for the engine ECU security code. The original owner would have got a plastic card the size of a credit card with the engine ECU security code on it. Well in the passing years, it's been lost.
You cant code in any keys without it.
Do I really need it? Well not at the moment. I can make a valet key, that is one that will open the car from the drivers door and start the car. But I will need to buy a brand new key if I want to add a remote fob.
First we need to pull the BSI apart and find the EEPROM. The EEPROM is memory used by the BSI's processor. It contains data about the VIN, the mileage, the remote locking key fobs and the security code for the engine ECU. I have access to everything except the key fob data. The next thing is to download all the data on the EEPROM. For this I use a reader/programmer. It just hooks onto the chip and plugs unto the USB socket. There are a few adapters required. Here is the "dump" of the HEX code. Next step is to put the HEX dump through a program to get/change the info you want. I'm not going to go through that here, lest I be accused of being a pirate...aaarrrr!
You cant code in any keys without it.
Do I really need it? Well not at the moment. I can make a valet key, that is one that will open the car from the drivers door and start the car. But I will need to buy a brand new key if I want to add a remote fob.
First we need to pull the BSI apart and find the EEPROM. The EEPROM is memory used by the BSI's processor. It contains data about the VIN, the mileage, the remote locking key fobs and the security code for the engine ECU. I have access to everything except the key fob data. The next thing is to download all the data on the EEPROM. For this I use a reader/programmer. It just hooks onto the chip and plugs unto the USB socket. There are a few adapters required. Here is the "dump" of the HEX code. Next step is to put the HEX dump through a program to get/change the info you want. I'm not going to go through that here, lest I be accused of being a pirate...aaarrrr!
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- Year: 2003 (53)
- Engine Size: 1.4 (8v)
- Fuel Type: Petrol
- Mileage: 80000
- Gearbox: Automatic PRND
- DPF: No
- LHD or RHD: RHD
- Engine name: TU3 (75 PS)
- Location: Brisbane, Australia.
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Quick update.
I have pulled the front end off the car. I wanted to change the aircon condenser and gain better access to the engine and auto box, so I took out the radiator, condenser and support. The compressor will come out and also the alternator, so I can clean the oil residue from behind them.
The condenser is toast!! The corrosion through out is not good. I will be replacing everything accept the evaporator in the cabin. As I outlined above, I considered it better to not disturb the distribution box. I just hope the internals of the evaporator are OK. There is no corrosion on the TX valve and the pipe joints at the TX valve are good. I can only hope the acids stayed in the lower part of the system.
I flushed the evaporator out with brake cleaner and got all the old oil out.
I have replacement parts from the wrecker C3 that look in good condition. The oil is clean and clear. That's a good sign.
Oh. If you are wondering what I'm driving around in, it's a 1984 Ford Meteor. It's basically a Mazda 323 sedan. You would have had them over there but I don't know what the model would have been called. Judging by the rust, I don't think they would have lasted very long over there. The rust is only in the bottom of the drivers door and in the boot lid. I have owned/maintained one of these in one form or another since 1985 (or so). I think I have owned this one for a little over 10 years. I replaced the head gasket over Christmas but still am loosing a bit of coolant. I think it has something to do with the radiator.
I have pulled the front end off the car. I wanted to change the aircon condenser and gain better access to the engine and auto box, so I took out the radiator, condenser and support. The compressor will come out and also the alternator, so I can clean the oil residue from behind them.
The condenser is toast!! The corrosion through out is not good. I will be replacing everything accept the evaporator in the cabin. As I outlined above, I considered it better to not disturb the distribution box. I just hope the internals of the evaporator are OK. There is no corrosion on the TX valve and the pipe joints at the TX valve are good. I can only hope the acids stayed in the lower part of the system.
I flushed the evaporator out with brake cleaner and got all the old oil out.
I have replacement parts from the wrecker C3 that look in good condition. The oil is clean and clear. That's a good sign.
Oh. If you are wondering what I'm driving around in, it's a 1984 Ford Meteor. It's basically a Mazda 323 sedan. You would have had them over there but I don't know what the model would have been called. Judging by the rust, I don't think they would have lasted very long over there. The rust is only in the bottom of the drivers door and in the boot lid. I have owned/maintained one of these in one form or another since 1985 (or so). I think I have owned this one for a little over 10 years. I replaced the head gasket over Christmas but still am loosing a bit of coolant. I think it has something to do with the radiator.
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- Year: 2003 (53)
- Engine Size: 1.4 (8v)
- Fuel Type: Petrol
- Mileage: 80000
- Gearbox: Automatic PRND
- DPF: No
- LHD or RHD: RHD
- Engine name: TU3 (75 PS)
- Location: Brisbane, Australia.
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Small update.
Now that I'm happy the air distribution box is serviceable, I have replaced the dash but only stuck it in position. My older son came over and helped me install the dash from the black car into the silver car. Currently it's just held in place by a couple of bolts. While is was relatively easy to get the dash out (by myself), it required a bit more precision to but it back. There were alignment tabs to line up and I didn't want to damage the foam seals on the air distribution box.
I have removed the alternator and mounting bracket. Removed the aircon compressor and mounting bracket and cleaned up the leaked oil from the engine block where it had run down from the head gasket leak.
Yes I know, I'm taking my time, but I'm not in a hurry. I actually have a bit of trepidation about installing the new head bolts and torquing them to yield. I have not done that before.
While I procrastinate about the engine, I will put the interior back together.
Now that I'm happy the air distribution box is serviceable, I have replaced the dash but only stuck it in position. My older son came over and helped me install the dash from the black car into the silver car. Currently it's just held in place by a couple of bolts. While is was relatively easy to get the dash out (by myself), it required a bit more precision to but it back. There were alignment tabs to line up and I didn't want to damage the foam seals on the air distribution box.
I have removed the alternator and mounting bracket. Removed the aircon compressor and mounting bracket and cleaned up the leaked oil from the engine block where it had run down from the head gasket leak.
Yes I know, I'm taking my time, but I'm not in a hurry. I actually have a bit of trepidation about installing the new head bolts and torquing them to yield. I have not done that before.
While I procrastinate about the engine, I will put the interior back together.
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- Mileage: 80000
- Gearbox: Automatic PRND
- DPF: No
- LHD or RHD: RHD
- Engine name: TU3 (75 PS)
- Location: Brisbane, Australia.
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Some time in 2005 PSA started preparing the production line for the new facelift versions of the C2 and C3. The face lift versions would have very slight changes to the exterior. Big changes to the interior and a new "BUS" electrical communications between electronic devices. BUT as I said they started preparing while still making the old pre-facelift cars! So there are some "hybrid" versions of the pre-facelift cars that have features of the new facelift cars. So, for example, my black wrecker C3 has a different wiring lay out. The instrument cluster has orange LEDs lighting the temp and fuel level pictograms. Facelift style turn repeaters on the front wings. New style BSM housing.
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- Gearbox: Automatic PRND
- DPF: No
- LHD or RHD: RHD
- Engine name: TU3 (75 PS)
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Well time has come to replace the two modulator valves in the transmission valve body.
The shifting action of the gearbox is OK but the transmission tends to hold off too long for the torque converter to lock up in second and the shift feels a bit "rubbery".
So I removed the gearbox ECU, then the valve body cover, then the valve body.
Bugger!! It has the borg-warner modulator valves!! How can I tell? The electrical connectors are white. These valves were used on the early AL4 transmissions (the transmission in the C3). Apparently around 2003 they changed them to a slightly different electrovalve and you can tell, as the newer valves have black connectors.
What's the problem? I was going to change them anyway?
Well, the modulator valves regulate the pressure by turning on and off very quickly. Unfortunately the frequency that the 'white' connector version and the 'black' connector versions operate at are different. So to run the 'black connector version valves' on this car requires a different program running on the gearbox ECU!!
AH! But hang on! The donor black wrecker C3 had black modulator valves (I did a tutorial on changing the valves). So I should be able to use that gearbox ECU. It's not 'coded' to the car so it should swap over just fine. It might have to change some of its 'adaptables' but it should be OK.
You guys must think I'm making this shi...stuff...up?
The shifting action of the gearbox is OK but the transmission tends to hold off too long for the torque converter to lock up in second and the shift feels a bit "rubbery".
So I removed the gearbox ECU, then the valve body cover, then the valve body.
Bugger!! It has the borg-warner modulator valves!! How can I tell? The electrical connectors are white. These valves were used on the early AL4 transmissions (the transmission in the C3). Apparently around 2003 they changed them to a slightly different electrovalve and you can tell, as the newer valves have black connectors.
What's the problem? I was going to change them anyway?
Well, the modulator valves regulate the pressure by turning on and off very quickly. Unfortunately the frequency that the 'white' connector version and the 'black' connector versions operate at are different. So to run the 'black connector version valves' on this car requires a different program running on the gearbox ECU!!

AH! But hang on! The donor black wrecker C3 had black modulator valves (I did a tutorial on changing the valves). So I should be able to use that gearbox ECU. It's not 'coded' to the car so it should swap over just fine. It might have to change some of its 'adaptables' but it should be OK.
You guys must think I'm making this shi...stuff...up?
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- Year: 2003 (53)
- Engine Size: 1.4 (8v)
- Fuel Type: Petrol
- Mileage: 80000
- Gearbox: Automatic PRND
- DPF: No
- LHD or RHD: RHD
- Engine name: TU3 (75 PS)
- Location: Brisbane, Australia.
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Alright so I finally got the [email protected] to remove the cylinder head and replace the head gasket.
I wish I didn't!!!
When I opened up this tin of worms I was not happy! I thought this engine wasn't in too bad of a condition. But that was only looking on the outside. Inside...OH Boy. Well to be fair, it could be worse.
The head gasket is in poor condition but I expected that. What I didn't expect was damage to the piston and head from Foreign Object Damage.
Something has gotten into the the #4 cylinder and done damage to the piston crown and the squish band. There are built up mounds and pock marks. I have no idea what happened! I just hope it was from a previous owner and not something that I did.
There was no damage to the catalytic converter I installed, so it was done prior to that.
While it is a bit dodgy, I might scrape the head and piston and get rid of the high spots. Replace the head gasket and re-use the head bolts.
I still have the wrecker C3 engine and it looks OK but I thought the same of this engine!!
I'll remove the head on the wrecker engine and asses the innards. If its good, replace the head gasket and put the engine into the silver C3. Then pull the bad engine down and replace required parts. A BIG project!
I wish I didn't!!!
When I opened up this tin of worms I was not happy! I thought this engine wasn't in too bad of a condition. But that was only looking on the outside. Inside...OH Boy. Well to be fair, it could be worse.
The head gasket is in poor condition but I expected that. What I didn't expect was damage to the piston and head from Foreign Object Damage.
Something has gotten into the the #4 cylinder and done damage to the piston crown and the squish band. There are built up mounds and pock marks. I have no idea what happened! I just hope it was from a previous owner and not something that I did.
There was no damage to the catalytic converter I installed, so it was done prior to that.
While it is a bit dodgy, I might scrape the head and piston and get rid of the high spots. Replace the head gasket and re-use the head bolts.
I still have the wrecker C3 engine and it looks OK but I thought the same of this engine!!
I'll remove the head on the wrecker engine and asses the innards. If its good, replace the head gasket and put the engine into the silver C3. Then pull the bad engine down and replace required parts. A BIG project!
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- Fuel Type: Petrol
- Mileage: 80000
- Gearbox: Automatic PRND
- DPF: No
- LHD or RHD: RHD
- Engine name: TU3 (75 PS)
- Location: Brisbane, Australia.
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I chiseled and draw filed the high spots in the head. Not an ideal solution.
The damage from the gasket (the dark area) is only superficial and not on a mating surface. If it fails, well, spare motor.
There is one very small indentation in the squish band of the #3 cylinder. someone has not been careful with loose objects and the inlet manifold exposed!
I think the head gasket has been replaced!! It does not look like the OEM gasket. Could something have been let loose in the engine when the gasket was replaced?
I may rebuild the engine one day but it's not worth my time at the moment. Again...spare motor!
The exhaust valve seems to be Ok and its holding a seal.
Next the block. Clean up the mating surfaces and get the gunk out of the water gallery!
The best solution would be to weld the head and mill it flat. That aint gona happen. Well not yet anyway.The damage from the gasket (the dark area) is only superficial and not on a mating surface. If it fails, well, spare motor.
There is one very small indentation in the squish band of the #3 cylinder. someone has not been careful with loose objects and the inlet manifold exposed!
I think the head gasket has been replaced!! It does not look like the OEM gasket. Could something have been let loose in the engine when the gasket was replaced?
I may rebuild the engine one day but it's not worth my time at the moment. Again...spare motor!
The exhaust valve seems to be Ok and its holding a seal.
Next the block. Clean up the mating surfaces and get the gunk out of the water gallery!
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- Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
- Year: 2004 (54)
- Engine Size: 1.4
- Fuel Type: Diesel
- Mileage: 108000
- Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
- DPF: No
- LHD or RHD: RHD (UK)
- Engine name: DV4 diesel (70 PS)
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Very interesting, how lucky you are to have all those rust free bodyshells, it makes your efforts worthwhile, I remember this on the old BX forum, we gazed at the perfect bodies with beautiful pipework in your scrapyards, and you lusted after the unfaded dashboards and interiors in ours, please keep up this thread, thanks for sharing it.