High rpm on idle (P1676, P1675, P1674)

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My Name: Arfur Dent

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Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
Year: 2002 (52)
Engine Size: 1.4 (16v)
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Hello,
Thanks, but as visible on my later screenshots F5 wasn't avaiable. Is it visible in only one menu?
Best regards!
It shows on the screen in my image.

I don't know what's up with your lexia but you tell us it is a 2005 model, but your lexia shows it as a 'new look Citroen C3', which the 2005 model is definitely not. I would suggest identifying the vehicle correctly for lexia to get the best chance to communicate with it.

To get lexia to work you should allow it to identify the vehicle by the VIN it discovers then confirm it matches the expected VIN (i've never seen it not correct).
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Model: C3 2006-2009, Facelift model
Year: 2005 (05)
Engine Size: 1.1
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Arfur Dent wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:53 pm It shows on the screen in my image.
I don't know what's up with your lexia but you tell us it is a 2005 model, but your lexia shows it as a 'new look Citroen C3', which the 2005 model is definitely not. I would suggest identifying the vehicle correctly for lexia to get the best chance to communicate with it.
To get lexia to work you should allow it to identify the vehicle by the VIN it discovers then confirm it matches the expected VIN (i've never seen it not correct).
Hi,
OK, I asked because I couldn't find it. It is 2005 model, but after facelift (so with bigger screen and white back reversing glass).
VINs form car and red by LEXIA matches.
Maybe it just isn't avaiable for this model. Thank you for your help & time :)
Best regards.
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odoedel wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:12 pm It is 2005 model, but after facelift (so with bigger screen and white back reversing glass).
That is not possible, sorry. It is an impossible configuration of the Citroen C3.

Facelift came in 2006 to 2009, then new model came.

You can (when it gets light) take a photo of your actual car, from the front and of the dashboard and attach them to this post (following these instructions) so we can all see what model of C3 you actually have.
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Model: C3 2006-2009, Facelift model
Year: 2005 (05)
Engine Size: 1.1
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Arfur Dent wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:17 pm
odoedel wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:12 pm It is 2005 model, but after facelift (so with bigger screen and white back reversing glass).
That is not possible, sorry. It is an impossible configuration of the Citroen C3.

Facelift came in 2006 to 2009, then new model came.

You can (when it gets light) take a photo of your actual car, from the front and of the dashboard and attach them to this post (following these instructions) so we can all see what model of C3 you actually have.
There you go ;)
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Thanks

The RPO (10529) says, 6 September 2005 manufactured date, that also ties in with the front bumper, but the dashboard is from a later model car (post 2006).

You lexia shows it is connected to the wrong car, which maybe why you are getting strange options available and quite why you can't get the F5 solutions button to show.

I would try to get lexia to see you are for what it is, or force it to read it as a 2005 (select the picture that looks like yours) and enter the RPO) and read the faults again.
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The facelift (CAN-CAN) cars started production in late 2005. From RPO 09282 onwards. So the vehicle is Kosher.

Dash, front bumper and tail lights are all facelift.
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Hello,
I'm answering your post once more, because I found a solution to my problem. I used DiagBox 9.91 (from March 2021) and it didn't show F5 solutions.
After changing to different virtual machine, on which I installed slight older version of DiagBox - 07.02, it magically worked.
I hope it will help someone to solve problems with LEXIA/DiagBox software.
Best regards!
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Model: C3 2006-2009, Facelift model
Year: 2005 (05)
Engine Size: 1.1
Fuel Type: Petrol
Mileage: 27000
Trim Level: Other
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: LHD (Europe)
Engine name: TU1 (60 PS)
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Hi everyone,
This topic/problem started long time ago and I would like to help other people with proper diagnose of the problem.
If you have symptoms like mine car had (high rev on idle), you can check type of your alternator in LEXIA software. In my configuration (2005 facelift C3 1.1 furio) it was like this:
BSI config
BSI config
and
ECU config
ECU config
To verify if your problem is the same as mine you should remove connector from alternator (signal one, not the chonky one going straight to battery). If nothing changes in car behaviour it means that probably there is no communication between ECU and alternator.
To remove this connector you should go under your car, then it's much easier to get this done.
To verify what part is the problem you can use LEXIA diagnose steps (complicated, but well described).
For me it was easier to read what I was supposed to check and just look if I have correct voltage between connector (going from ECU) to earth on car.
I didn't have any voltage (it should be lower than 2V depending on electrical load).
I swapped ECU and BSI to another set and it solved my issue.
Thank you guys for your clues and help.
Best regards.
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