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Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
Year: 2003 (53)
Engine Size: 1.4 (16v)
Fuel Type: Petrol
Mileage: 150000
Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: SensoDrive
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: LHD (Europe)
Engine name: TU3 (75 PS)

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Ozvtr wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:38 am Because of the sensodrive gearbox, the engine will not start if the brake switch is faulty. The gearbox cuts power to the starter until you put your foot on the brake. There are 2 independent sets of contacts in the brake switch. 1 set tells the glove box ECU to turn on the brake lights and the other set tells the gearbox and engine ECU that you have put your foot on the brake.

If the green engine temperature sensor goes faulty, all the temp lights on the dash will come on, but there wont be anything wrong with the engine cooling system, as the mechanic said. HOWEVER, the engine ECU needs to know the (true) coolant temperature to operate correctly.

In Europe, during winter, they salt the roads to melt the ice. HOWEVER, this salty water mixture gets into the electrical connectors and corrodes the connections. A lot of the engine faults might be attributable to corroded connections on the engine ECU. It would be unusual for all of those engine components to have failed at once.
Yes, I always press the brake pedal to start the engine because it doesn't even crank if the brake pedal is not pressed(indication sign appears to press the brake pedal if I try to to start it without pressing the brake pedal).

Is there a way to check if the break switch is faulty or not?

And does it stalls the car while driving?
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Shawn wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:05 pm Is there a way to check if the break switch is faulty or not?
You have the "P0571 intermittent fault inconsistency between the 2 stop switches coherence" fault. This indicates a faulty brake switch. Unfortunately without a high level scan tool you wont be able to see if the auxiliary contacts are working. You will be able to see if the primary contacts are working as the brake lights will come on when you press the brake pedal. Again I would just replace the switch. You can find them on ebay. Check the colour of the brake switch before you buy one (I'm not sure about the LHD cars. Should still be white?)!

Shawn wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:05 pm And does it stalls the car while driving?
No, it shouldn't. However the engine may not turn over on start up and the sensodrive might not change down gears properly when braking.

Check the electrical connectors on the engine ECU and the engine bay fuse box!!!
My Name: Shawn

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Posts: 9
Joined: Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:54 pm
Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
Year: 2003 (53)
Engine Size: 1.4 (16v)
Fuel Type: Petrol
Mileage: 150000
Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: SensoDrive
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: LHD (Europe)
Engine name: TU3 (75 PS)

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Okay, I'll check it this evening and will order a new one.

I'll update here about it afterwards.
My Name: Shawn

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Posts: 9
Joined: Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:54 pm
Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
Year: 2003 (53)
Engine Size: 1.4 (16v)
Fuel Type: Petrol
Mileage: 150000
Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: SensoDrive
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: LHD (Europe)
Engine name: TU3 (75 PS)

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Ozvtr wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:29 pm The P0138, P0131, P0170, P0011, P0012, P1702 and P1208 might be related to a power failure for the engine ECU. I doubt very much that both O2 sensors would fail at the same time. Check the grey connector on the engine ECU for corrosion. Check the black 16 pin connector on the engine bay fuse box for corrosion.
Does it mean the oxygen sensor is faulty as well? Or I'll just have to check the connectors.

Do I also have to check each fuse in the fuse box?
My Name: Shawn

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Posts: 9
Joined: Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:54 pm
Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
Year: 2003 (53)
Engine Size: 1.4 (16v)
Fuel Type: Petrol
Mileage: 150000
Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: SensoDrive
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: LHD (Europe)
Engine name: TU3 (75 PS)

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Is it the one known as brake pedal switch?
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Engine Size: 1.4 (8v)
Fuel Type: Petrol
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Trim Level: Other
Gearbox: Automatic PRND
DPF: No
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Shawn wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:19 am Is it the one known as brake pedal switch?
Yes, but...
I am not familiar with the LHD C3. In the RHD C3 the switch is white.
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Check the colour of your switch. The green connector will not fit into the white switch and vice versa.
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My Name: Ozvtr

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Joined: Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:31 am
Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
Year: 2003 (53)
Engine Size: 1.4 (8v)
Fuel Type: Petrol
Mileage: 80000
Trim Level: Other
Gearbox: Automatic PRND
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: RHD
Engine name: TU3 (75 PS)
Location: Brisbane, Australia.
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Shawn wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:07 am Does it mean the oxygen sensor is faulty as well? Or I'll just have to check the connectors.
I doubt both O2 sensors have gone at the same time. Check the connector first. The grey connector has a lot of the "faulty" sensors on it.
Shawn wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:07 am Do I also have to check each fuse in the fuse box?
Not first up. I suspect corrosion has gotten in but I'm not sure where.
The connectors on the engine ECU and fuse box are where I would start.
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