Picasso 1.6hdi P0339 Error / car turns over fine but won't fire.

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Hi All,
I'm new to the forum and looking for some help with a 10 plate 50k mile Picasso I was given about a year ago.

I got the timing belt, water pump, etc. changed in June about 3k miles ago.

It's been running fine up until today when I was driving along the motorway, there was a sudden stutter and the engine just died on me.

I got over onto the hard shoulder and recovered home ok which was nice I guess.

I plugged my OBD2 reader in and got the following error.

P0339 $07E8 Crankshaft position sensor intermittent fault.

The car turns over fine but won't fire.

I changed the crankshaft sensor but it made no difference. Still the same code and still won't start.

I've changed the fuel filter and air filter and no difference.

I tried it with Holt's easy start and it fired for a few seconds and then cut out still with just the same error code.

The connectors to the sensor looked fine.

I checked all the fuses and they're all fine.

I'm at a loss what to do next and any hints tips or suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Brian
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brimclell wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:33 pm Hi All,
I'm new to the forum and looking for some help with a 10 plate 50k mile Picasso I was given about a year ago.

I got the timing belt, water pump, etc. changed in June about 3k miles ago.

It's been running fine up until today when I was driving along the motorway, there was a sudden stutter and the engine just died on me.

I got over onto the hard shoulder and recovered home ok which was nice I guess.

I plugged my OBD2 reader in and got the following error.

P0339 $07E8 Crankshaft position sensor intermittent fault.

The car turns over fine but won't fire.

I changed the crankshaft sensor but it made no difference. Still the same code and still won't start.

I've changed the fuel filter and air filter and no difference.

I tried it with Holt's easy start and it fired for a few seconds and then cut out still with just the same error code.

The connectors to the sensor looked fine.

I checked all the fuses and they're all fine.

I'm at a loss what to do next and any hints tips or suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Brian
Hello Brian

Have you checked the cam belt hasn't stripped its teeth off?
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Hi Arfur,
Thanks first of all for coming back to me so quickly.

I didn't actually check that, quite obvious now you mention it but because it was so new and the compression seemed fine I thought it would be ok.

Can I check it just from the plastic panel at the top or do I have to remove everything to get at it?

I got a garage to change it because I wasn't 100% confidential of doing it myself but I'd be ok taking a few bolts out and rotating the cam.
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brimclell wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:05 pm Hi Arfur,
Thanks first of all for coming back to me so quickly.

I didn't actually check that, quite obvious now you mention it but because it was so new and the compression seemed fine I thought it would be ok.

Can I check it just from the plastic panel at the top or do I have to remove everything to get at it?

I got a garage to change it because I wasn't 100% confidential of doing it myself but I'd be ok taking a few bolts out and rotating the cam.
You should be able to remove the top plastic, or at least enough to see or feel if the cam moves when someone turns the engine over.

Changing the belt is a much, much bigger job.
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Thanks Arfur, I'll have a look at that tomorrow.

It's an INA belt kit with water pump and I thought it was a decent make.

If that's OK is there anything else that is worth checking before I have it recovered to a garage?

I'm quite diligent at putting redex diesel treatment in every few fills and it's been running fine until now but the recovery guy said they were bad for injectors.
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Thanks Arfur, I'll have a look at that tomorrow.

It's an INA belt kit with water pump and I thought it was a decent make.

If that's OK is there anything else that is worth checking before I have it recovered to a garage?

I'm quite diligent at putting redex diesel treatment in every few fills and it's been running fine until now but the recovery guy said they were bad for injectors.
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brimclell wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:56 pm Thanks Arfur, I'll have a look at that tomorrow.

It's an INA belt kit with water pump and I thought it was a decent make.

If that's OK is there anything else that is worth checking before I have it recovered to a garage?
The factory fitted cambelt is good for over 100 000 miles and some set for change at 150 000 miles.

Doing the change at 50k is a bit previous. I would be very tempted to inspect the belt myself if it were mine BEFORE anyone else gets to look, just to see what is going on (if anything) in there.

I'm quite diligent at putting redex diesel treatment in every few fills and it's been running fine until now but the recovery guy said they were bad for injectors.
I don't think you have an injector fault because it won't even run on easy-start. As AD says, something like the cam belt failure would also tie-up with the P0339 Error.
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C3driver52 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:01 am
brimclell wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:56 pm Thanks Arfur, I'll have a look at that tomorrow.

It's an INA belt kit with water pump and I thought it was a decent make.

If that's OK is there anything else that is worth checking before I have it recovered to a garage?
The factory fitted cambelt is good for over 100 000 miles and some set for change at 150 000 miles.

Doing the change at 50k is a bit previous. I would be very tempted to inspect the belt myself if it were mine BEFORE anyone else gets to look, just to see what is going on (if anything) in there.

I'm quite diligent at putting redex diesel treatment in every few fills and it's been running fine until now but the recovery guy said they were bad for injectors.
I don't think you have an injector fault because it won't even run on easy-start. As AD says, something like the cam belt failure would also tie-up with the P0339 Error.

Thanks C3Driver52

I got the belt, tensioner, etc, changed because they were 10 years old and I didn't want to risk anything untoward happening.
The garage said the belt they took off was in good condition but I felt it was safer.

I'll try and get a look first thing but I won't be able to get anyone to turn it until tonight.

If it is the timing belt, in terms of damage what could I be looking at?

Also, would I need a whole new belt kit or just the belt?
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Got the top plastic cover off and the belt is whole with teeth lined up.

Didn't have time to get the wheel off and rotate the crank - do I need to remove the aux belt? - but weather permitting I'll be able to check that and tdc alignment tonight.
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Also would it be an idea to rotate it to tdc and see if I can put locking pins in all the locking holes?
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