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My Name: samstagmoonyham

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Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
Year: 2003 (53)
Engine Size: 1.4 (8v)
Fuel Type: Diesel
Mileage: 100000
Trim Level: Desire
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: RHD (UK)
Engine name: DV4 16-valve diesel (90 PS)

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C3CAR wrote: The copper injector seals don't really seal any fuel as such. They seal the combustion chamber, which admittedly contains some fuel, its mostly air or exhaust gasses.

The gold pipes seal only diesel fuel under very high pressure. Citroen say new pipes should be fitted each time they are removed (don't reuse the pipe). Why? The pipe seals to the shape of the injector mating face and it can be tricky to get it to seal twice. In practice everyone will re-use the pipe unless it leaks, then they change them ;)

The nuts on the gold pipe have a specified torque which can be tricky to measure without the right tools (crows foot) and maths to do the crows foot conversion. You could check they are torqued correctly?
Ok, i will need to buy some crows foot spanners then i guess, thats not really a problem, how do i do the conversion once i have the crows foot spanners?
and its interesting you say that about replacing the gold pipes as the injector copper seals have been replaced before, so it could be that they didnt replace the pipe.
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Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
Year: 2003 (03)
Engine Size: 1.4 (8v)
Fuel Type: Diesel
Mileage: 210000
Trim Level: VTR+
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: LHD (Europe)

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I'm wondering, and if anyone thinks this is a bad idea, please say so, because I'm not sure.

But if you're already considering replacing the pipes, before doing so, try slightly over-torquing the pipes to the injectors.
Good chance that may seal the connections, giving you a chance to check if that was the cause without replacing the whole line.
You won't really need an accurate torque wrench either, since you'll crank a set amount of degrees on all of them (say a sixteenth of a turn or less).
Just be careful of course on the injectors, but they have pretty heave duty threads, so i feel it would be fine.
Also, if one connection feels loose, you may have found the problem...
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Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
Year: 2002 (02)
Engine Size: 1.4 (16v)
Fuel Type: Diesel
Mileage: 140000
Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: RHD (UK)
Engine name: DV4 16-valve diesel (90 PS)
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samstagmoonyham wrote:Ok, i will need to buy some crows foot spanners then i guess, thats not really a problem, how do i do the conversion once i have the crows foot spanners?
Have a look at the online calculation tool https://www.engineersedge.com/manufactur ... ension.htm

and some information and the location and credit for the image below https://www.engineersedge.com/manufactur ... ench_1.htm
crows foot torque wrench calculation for injectors
crows foot torque wrench calculation for injectors
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Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
Year: 2002 (02)
Engine Size: 1.4 (16v)
Fuel Type: Diesel
Mileage: 140000
Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: RHD (UK)
Engine name: DV4 16-valve diesel (90 PS)
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user1234 wrote:I'm wondering, and if anyone thinks this is a bad idea, please say so, because I'm not sure.

But if you're already considering replacing the pipes, before doing so, try slightly over-torquing the pipes to the injectors.
Good chance that may seal the connections, giving you a chance to check if that was the cause without replacing the whole line.
Its got to be worth a try, as you say the injectors are quite tough so should survive.
user1234 wrote:You won't really need an accurate torque wrench either, since you'll crank a set amount of degrees on all of them (say a sixteenth of a turn or less).
But if you have a torque wrench anyway (which is a 'must have' tool for the mechanical C3 parts in my opinion) then use it. If you don't get it right you may under torque leading to a leak or over torque leading to damage of the gold pipe and you get another leak.

A occasional, DIYers torque wrench doesn't need to be expensive, have a look at this one for example. Its useful for tightening wheel nuts, suspension and injector, but not up to the job of the front hub nut.

You can find a crows foot here (amazon)
My Name: samstagmoonyham

C3 Master
Posts: 106
Joined: Mon May 04, 2015 12:43 pm
Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
Year: 2003 (53)
Engine Size: 1.4 (8v)
Fuel Type: Diesel
Mileage: 100000
Trim Level: Desire
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: RHD (UK)
Engine name: DV4 16-valve diesel (90 PS)

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C3CAR wrote:
user1234 wrote:I'm wondering, and if anyone thinks this is a bad idea, please say so, because I'm not sure.

But if you're already considering replacing the pipes, before doing so, try slightly over-torquing the pipes to the injectors.
Good chance that may seal the connections, giving you a chance to check if that was the cause without replacing the whole line.
Its got to be worth a try, as you say the injectors are quite tough so should survive.
user1234 wrote:You won't really need an accurate torque wrench either, since you'll crank a set amount of degrees on all of them (say a sixteenth of a turn or less).
But if you have a torque wrench anyway (which is a 'must have' tool for the mechanical C3 parts in my opinion) then use it. If you don't get it right you may under torque leading to a leak or over torque leading to damage of the gold pipe and you get another leak.

A occasional, DIYers torque wrench doesn't need to be expensive, have a look at this one for example. Its useful for tightening wheel nuts, suspension and injector, but not up to the job of the front hub nut.

You can find a crows foot here (amazon)
Thanks for the ideas guys, i do have a torque wrench at home anyway, its just we dont seem to have any crows foot spanners, but this set i found here seems pretty cheap: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/15PC-CROW-FOO ... NNER-HEADS..... i might get that one or i may get a set with a flexible connector as that may help in the hard to reach areas.

Also, i dont know if you guys have ever thought of doing this, but if you want to suck up liquid pooling around the injectors, then you can attach a wd40 straw to a syringe and remove the fluid that way.
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