HUGE BILL from service - what do I do?

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My Name: samuelodog

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Hi - just took my beloved 54 reg diesel C3 for a major service - got a list of stuff adding up to £1300.

Please can you take a look through the list and let me know which are very important and which I could do myself and which I can skip?

wheel adjustment/alignment - £25
wheel rebalancing - £25
New brake fluid and system flush - £32
Drive shaft CV boot split - £8 with £56 labour
x2 pieces exhaust needed - Back box -£47
and mid section - £94
and clamps - £10
Passenger side front suspension spring need replacing, coils are touching -£37-£74 labour
Driver side anti roll bar link split - £9 - £16 labor
alternator belt cracked and perished - £14 -labour £28
Brakes - rear brake drums at max diameter - £92 each, plus shoes for them - £30 each, + wheel bearings £37 each

Any ideas?

Do I sell the car - it drives fine! I had no idea about any of the above - am I being had?!
Car is only worth about 2 grand as it is!

Thanks in advance!
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Sam
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Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
Year: 2002 (02)
Engine Size: 1.4 (16v)
Fuel Type: Diesel
Mileage: 140000
Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: RHD (UK)
Engine name: DV4 16-valve diesel (90 PS)
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Hi Sam
samuelodog wrote:wheel adjustment/alignment - £25
wheel rebalancing - £25
You can get these done at a tyre shop, they can give you a quote to compare prices, try kwik fit (click here) and F1 Autocentres. Tracking (alignment) will save premature tyre wear. Balance improves ride. Book online to guarantee the online price :)
samuelodog wrote:New brake fluid and system flush - £32
This can be a real pain to do if the nipples are seized, brake fluid (and the clutch fluid as its the same system) is £12 to £20 for 5L, check here at euro car parts, which makes £32 quite good value. Brake fluid does need changing every so often, although many don't bother. How is you brake pedal feel?
samuelodog wrote:Drive shaft CV boot split - £8 with £56 labour
Inner or outer? Outer is easier to do yourself, inner is more difficult and involved. If you don't do it soon, you will need to change the CV joint or the entire drive shaft before long.

Outer boots can be replaced with a split kit as the cheapest option, but not as durable as a proper replacement outer boot, but you will need to remove the hub nut to get access.
samuelodog wrote:x2 pieces exhaust needed - Back box -£47
and mid section - £94
Wow, I am surprised its even got an MOT test. You can get exhaust parts from here or seek the advice of an exhaust fast fit, like kwik fit (click here) and F1 Autocentres, or find prices for parts from here. It can be tricky to do these yourself and if they are not done, noise pollution will increase and exhaust fumes may enter the cabin.
samuelodog wrote:Passenger side front suspension spring need replacing, coils are touching -£37-£74 labour
You will have to do both springs to retain balance across the axle, if the springs are off, do the dampers too if they have not been done. You may also need to replace lower ball joint and possibly a track rod end. The parts are all available from Euro car parts, and a typical C3 front spring is available here - you will need 2 and its not advised to do these yourself if you don't know what you are doing because the springs can be dangerous. If you don't change the faulty suspension components, braking, steering and ride will be affected.
samuelodog wrote:Driver side anti roll bar link split - £9 - £16 labor
Do both sides for this while doing the 2 front shock absorbers and springs and there should be no extra labour charge as these links will be removed anyway. Best to just change the whole bar.
samuelodog wrote:alternator belt cracked and perished - £14 -labour £28
They do look like that after a while. Its a preventative suggestion as a filed belt will cause A/C and charging to stop working. Its not too bad to do yourself, the belt is cheap, varies on car spec, should have been done with the cam belt.
samuelodog wrote:Brakes - rear brake drums at max diameter - £92 each, plus shoes for them - £30 each, + wheel bearings £37 each
You can easily fit new drums with bearing already fitted, but the shoes can be tricky if you have never done shoes before.
If you get the bearings separately from the drum you will need a bearing press, best to get a pair of already mounted bearings, like this from Pagid and euro car parts. It will save hassle if you don't have a bearing press set-up.
If you want to tackle the shoes yourself, get some brake cleaner and a kit of the fixings for the shoes if they are not already supplied.
samuelodog wrote:Do I sell the car - it drives fine! I had no idea about any of the above - am I being had?!
Car is only worth about 2 grand as it is!
Labour is the biggest cost for old cars, so have a go yourself. Check the haynes manual for help even if its to get advice whether to tackle it yourself of get someone else to do it.



Some of your jobs (suspension and drive shafts) are linked in a way that they should be all done at the same time to reduce the number of times things need to be dismantled. This saves on labour and you will need to plan your jobs around this to save wasted man hours.
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Thanks. The place is f1 autocentres. So... Should I just sell the car? Or get the work done. I don't have time to do the big jobs.
Is it worth getting a second opinion? My wife shouted at them the other day before booking it in for a service!
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Fuel Type: Diesel
Mileage: 140000
Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: RHD (UK)
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samuelodog wrote:Thanks. The place is f1 autocentres. Or get the work done. I don't have time to do the big jobs.
Is it worth getting a second opinion? My wife shouted at them the other day before booking it in for a service!
Yes, get a second opinion,

and tell me how much MOT you have left please? Many of these are MOT fails.
samuelodog wrote:So... Should I just sell the car?
Its up to you. All cars cost money to maintain...
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Thanks, it was motd a month ago at a different garage! It passed with flying colours!
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Engine Size: 1.4 (16v)
Fuel Type: Diesel
Mileage: 140000
Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: RHD (UK)
Engine name: DV4 16-valve diesel (90 PS)
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samuelodog wrote:Thanks, it was motd a month ago at a different garage! It passed with flying colours!
Well, the spring failure must have recently happened. Would it be possible to ask the place that MOT'd it to have a look at it and give you a second opinion?
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I think I will ask them. The coil spring isn't broken, just kinda misshapen.
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Just took to garage that did not. They took a look and showed me:

Wheel adjustment/alignment - they said wheel worn due to air pressure not alighnment and didn't need rebalancing.

Drive shaft CV boot split - showed me it wasn't split. Oil there is old from old split.

x2 pieces exhaust needed - Back box
and mid section - showed me only outer skin rusty said had few more yrs life in it.

Passenger side front suspension spring need replacing, coils are touching -said springs fine, but shock absorber may need replacing.

Driver side anti roll bar link split - showed me it isn't split. Rubber ring is fine.

Brakes - rear brake drums at max diameter - they tested brakes and said they are perfectly balanced and brakes responding properly. But would take off wheel to check drums.

I'm booking in with them on Monday, they Said f1 was ripping me off with work car didn't need.
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Should I try to get my money back from F1 for the service?

They are crooks.
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Model: C3 2002-2005, Original shape model
Year: 2002 (02)
Engine Size: 1.4 (16v)
Fuel Type: Diesel
Mileage: 140000
Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: RHD (UK)
Engine name: DV4 16-valve diesel (90 PS)
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Been thanked: 106 times

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samuelodog wrote:Just took to garage that did not. They took a look and showed me:

Wheel adjustment/alignment - they said wheel worn due to air pressure not alighnment and didn't need rebalancing.

Drive shaft CV boot split - showed me it wasn't split. Oil there is old from old split.

x2 pieces exhaust needed - Back box
and mid section - showed me only outer skin rusty said had few more yrs life in it.

Passenger side front suspension spring need replacing, coils are touching -said springs fine, but shock absorber may need replacing.

Driver side anti roll bar link split - showed me it isn't split. Rubber ring is fine.

Brakes - rear brake drums at max diameter - they tested brakes and said they are perfectly balanced and brakes responding properly. But would take off wheel to check drums.

I'm booking in with them on Monday, they Said f1 was ripping me off with work car didn't need.
Yes, it was a current and recent MOT that showed things didn't look right.
samuelodog wrote:Should I try to get my money back from F1 for the service?
Yes, most definitely

If you don't want to deal with their local branch, contact the head office, their details are in the quote box below :)

https://www.f1autocentres.co.uk/findacentre.php wrote:If you would like to contact our head office, the telephone number is 01438 746633 or email careline@f1autocentres.com
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