Pluriel roof issue

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C3CAR wrote: Fri May 11, 2018 8:52 pm Yes, but they will charge you more than the cost of replacing the whole car :shock: :lol: :lol:
Ouch! :lol:
C3CAR wrote: Fri May 11, 2018 8:52 pm Spend a whole weekend on it because as you start to strip it down there will be other parts you find broken.
I guess it'll have to wait till winter when I won't need the car as much then :/
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I just got an estimate to replace the roof cables and the drive gear plus fitting a secondhand roof ECU at over 1000 pounds or $1921 Australian dollars. I believe the roof cables are under 100 pounds in the UK , the drive gear less and you can buy the secondhand ECU's at under 80 pounds on EBay.
There is a useful video on YouTube showing these being replaced so my plan is to do this myself once I've been able to buy the parts.


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julianmerak wrote: Mon May 14, 2018 2:05 am I just got an estimate to replace the roof cables and the drive gear plus fitting a secondhand roof ECU at over 1000 pounds or $1921 Australian dollars. I believe the roof cables are under 100 pounds in the UK , the drive gear less and you can buy the secondhand ECU's at under 80 pounds on EBay.
There is a useful video on YouTube showing these being replaced so my plan is to do this myself once I've been able to buy the parts.


Julian
Could you please PM me the link to the video (or post it here)? - It'd be greatly appreciated! I'll have to replace the roof fabric as well on mine, hopefully that won't bring the cost MUCH higher...
Good luck with the repair!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu20zGOirf8

Heres the link showing the roof cables being changed
I am trying to find a UK based supplier of those cables plus drive kit , no luck so far


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I have exactly the same issue in the youtube video -

1) Roof only opens around 6-10inches

2) When I close it I get the noise of the gears jumping on the motor gear (this is because the roof is physically fully closed but the motor is still trying to close it)

3) It did it last night, but it worked today and I was able to fully retract the roof; when I tried to close it the same thing happened again.

4) The boot lid won't open which I think must be connected.

Two quick questions -

How does the system know when the roof is fully closed/to shut off motor (there are no micro switches at the front)? At the moment the motor is trying to force the roof closed even though it is already shut.

How do I reset the roof; I have read that you hold the switch down but I can't do that as it forces the motor to run and the gears jump?

Many thanks

Tim
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tim04 wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 7:32 pm I have exactly the same issue in the youtube video -

1) Roof only opens around 6-10inches

2) When I close it I get the noise of the gears jumping on the motor gear (this is because the roof is physically fully closed but the motor is still trying to close it)

3) It did it last night, but it worked today and I was able to fully retract the roof; when I tried to close it the same thing happened again.

4) The boot lid won't open which I think must be connected.

Two quick questions -

How does the system know when the roof is fully closed/to shut off motor (there are no micro switches at the front)? At the moment the motor is trying to force the roof closed even though it is already shut.

How do I reset the roof; I have read that you hold the switch down but I can't do that as it forces the motor to run and the gears jump?

Many thanks

Tim
What I've found on a French forum - which nobody mentions anywhere on any English-speaking forum - Is that the ECU senses when the roof has closed by the force on the motor. In other words, when the roof closes, the motor will be unable to move any further, thus the car will know the roof is actually closed. If the motor slips on the cables, like it does in our cases, well... The cables need to be replaced.

After greasing the whole sliding mechanism for the roof I'm able to get it all the way down and back up again - It'll work for now... But I'll definitely be doing the repairs (not myself, if I can find someone who can do it for a reasonable price) when I've got the money.


julianmerak wrote: Thu May 17, 2018 1:46 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu20zGOirf8

Heres the link showing the roof cables being changed

I am trying to find a UK based supplier of those cables plus drive kit , no luck so far


Julian
Thanks! I found the part numbers on a forum post somewhere, plus a European site that had some of them in stock, maybe that would help?
Cheers!
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That would be brilliant! I am in no hurry now since its coming up to Winter in Australia but I want it all working if possible

Thanks

Julian
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julianmerak wrote: Tue May 29, 2018 1:07 am That would be brilliant! I am in no hurry now since its coming up to Winter in Australia but I want it all working if possible

Thanks

Julian
These are the part numbers I found:
8484C4 gear set
8401Z0 Cable Kit
8401HW Interslides
8401HV Interslides

Some more part numbers here (Descriptions are in (french?) though)
https://piege.epson.free.fr/capote/

And this is the website I was talking about - https://www.kfzteile-profis.de/
I've never used them, so I don't know if they're any good. The cable kit is about 70 pounds, not sure what the shipping would be like...
Hope this helps!
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smac wrote: Mon May 28, 2018 7:44 pm which nobody mentions anywhere on any English-speaking forum -

Is that the ECU senses when the roof has closed by the force on the motor.

In other words, when the roof closes, the motor will be unable to move any further, thus the car will know the roof is actually closed. If the motor slips on the cables, like it does in our cases, well... The cables need to be replaced.
Well, it is now in English, thank you smac.

It works just like the front electric windows ;)
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smac wrote: Tue May 29, 2018 2:33 pm

These are the part numbers I found:
8484C4 gear set
8401Z0 Cable Kit
8401HW Interslides
8401HV Interslides

Some more part numbers here (Descriptions are in (french?) though)
https://piege.epson.free.fr/capote/

So you know what the parts look like at the next autojumble :D

8484C4 gear set
8484C4 gear set for the Pluriel Roof Motor
8484C4 gear set for the Pluriel Roof Motor


8401Z0 Cable Kit
8401Z0 Cable Kit for Pluriel Roof
8401Z0 Cable Kit for Pluriel Roof


8401HW Interslides
8401HV Interslides
8401HW Interslides 8401HV for the Pluriel Roof
8401HW Interslides 8401HV for the Pluriel Roof
(edited after lifting from https://www.c3pluriel-fans.fr/drupal7/?q=node/11) which has more pictures of the Interslides system on the Pluriel.
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