Wing mirrors auto folding in question

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Hi, can anyone give me advice regarding the electric wing mirrors please? Is there a way to get them to fold in when needed as I’ve been told not to manually fold them in.

I know the fold in when locking with key fob but on a could of occasions I’ve needed to get them in while I’ve been driving in traffic.

I’ve tried the up and down buttons with the mirror switch on the centre but to no avail.

I have C3 pure tech platinum

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Hello

On the earlier models you turn the adjuster you mentioned to the 6 o'clock position and the mirrors will retract. Put it back to 12 o'clock and they return.

I find this particularly useful in the automatic car wash when the cleaning is overzealous and I want to reset the mirrors without opening a window :)

Not sure if it's the same on later models, but well worth a try. Please report back :)
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You put the mirror selector in the central position and press it in a downward direction. Do it again to unfold.
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Hi,

I'm a new member on the forum, although I have read it from time to time during the 14 years I had my 1.4 Desire. Sadly that had to be be scrapped recently, and despite the lockdown I managed last week to purchase a 63 plate 1.2 VTR+ from a small local dealer.

The one snag I've hit so far is the door mirrors do not fold in, either from the fob or the control on the door, although the actual adjustment function of the mirrors works fine. From a manual I have seen online, and a post on another thread on this forum, it suggests the folding mechanism can be over-ridden by a Citroen dealer (or somebody with access to their diagnostic kit at least). However, the way I read that is that only the fob operation is affected, and they should always work from the door control.

It may be a daft question, but primarily, I am just double checking before I progress it any further that any example of this model with electric mirrors would actually have the folding mechanism installed? I ask because I have had older cars of other makes with electric adjustment but manual folding.

Assuming the answer to this is "yes", then do I assume something has actually failed, or does the overide prevent operation from the door control as well as the fob?

Any thoughts would be very welcome.
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Hi and welcome to the forum,

I am sorry but I no longer have access to the current circuit diagrams but I’ll try from what I can remember.
In the first generation of C3’s the power fold only worked from the mirror control knob. In 2005 changes were made to the electrical system and the mirrors could be selected to fold/unfold on locking/unlocking of the car.

To my knowledge this option was buried inside the “maintenance screen” of the central display. So the user could select this option on or off by going to the appropriate menu.

I am not sure but I believe the latest generation (your car) have BASICALLY the same electrics as the MK2 C3’s. I am sorry but I can’t guarantee that. There are a great number of changes made between the facelift and last generation of C3's but I'll try.

The power fold option in the MK2’s was controlled INDEPENDANTLY by the BSI (the fuse box in the glovebox) and the mirror control knob. I.E. the knob was directly connected to the mirrors and was not run through the BSI. The BSI controlled the mirrors via 2 relays in the wiring loom and NOT directly from the BSI. Remember we are only talking about the power fold not the mirror tilt.

So if neither the fob nor knob are working and it’s both mirrors then, I would guess it’s the power to the power fold part of the mirrors that is not working.
First thing to check would be the fuse in the BSI. Unfortunately the MK1 and Mk2 BSI’s have different layouts and fuse numbering. If you have the user manual for your car look up the fuse layout for the fuse box in the glove box (BSI) and see if there is a fuse for the power fold and check if it’s OK.
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Many thanks for your reply.

I don't have a printed manual as such, I'm relying on what I can find online but I will have another look at the one I found - I assume it had a fusebox diagram in it.

EDIT - I've now had a look at the manual I've found, unfortunately I can't see any specific reference to the mirrors (folding or tilting) on the descriptions for the fuses. If they are bundled in with something else, I assume it would be with the window controls, which of course are still working.
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Oh! I may have gotten over excited.
After all that it's possible your model doesn't have power fold mirrors.
PM Arfur Dent with your VIN and he may be able to tell you if you car is supposed to have power fold mirrors or he might be able to tell you from the model type.
No, just because the car has electric mirrors doesn't mean it has power fold.
I looked at my Mk1 circuit diagrams and the power fold power is the same as the mirror power. From an engineering stand point its doubtful they would change that rule for subsequent models. So that would lead you back to the BSI or mirror switch but without a circuit diagram I'm just guessing.
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Thanks for the update, I will do as you suggest.
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As an alternative to the PM route, is whether or not power fold is fitted is something a Citroen dealer would be able to tell me with the VIN? I didn't buy the car from one, unfortunately, plus current lockdown conditions are complicating the situation.
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Calderman wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 11:57 am As an alternative to the PM route, is whether or not power fold is fitted is something a Citroen dealer would be able to tell me with the VIN? I didn't buy the car from one, unfortunately, plus current lockdown conditions are complicating the situation.
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