Picasso ABS Fault

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Model: C3 Picasso
Year: 2009 (59)
Engine Size: 1.6
Fuel Type: Diesel
Mileage: 60000
Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
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Afternoon All,

We have a 59 plate C3 Picasso (1.6 HDI Excl) that's complaining about an ABS fault.

It's been to the local garage (that we used successfully before) who replaced one of the ABS sensors, it's not cleared the fault but it's now sowing that the ABS pump is faulty although they tested the brakes and the physical braking of the car does not seem to be affected.

The local garage doesn't know what part to order without stripping it back to get some numbers off the existing pump so we tried the local Citroen garage to see if they could help. They refused to tell us the part number(s) and quoted us >£1.7k for them to supply, they also said that even if we could happen to find the parts that the local garage wouldn't be able to do anything as it would have to be re-coded to the car :shock:

So that's the scenario; I guess my questions are fairly obvious:
1) Does anyone know if it's possible to get the right part number without stripping it (appreciate stripping it would still be cheaper than paying Citreon!)
2) Are Citroen correct that even if we can source a part, only they can fit it?

Thanks in advance for your help; I'm new to this forum but was on the C4 Owners forum for a few years and know how knowledgeable and helpful you all are!

Regards, James.
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Hi James
farrelj wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:13 pm So that's the scenario; I guess my questions are fairly obvious:
1) Does anyone know if it's possible to get the right part number without stripping it (appreciate stripping it would still be cheaper than paying Citreon!)
Post a reply to this topic then PM me your VIN and I will see what Citroen can tell about your ABS system.
farrelj wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:13 pm 2) Are Citroen correct that even if we can source a part, only they can fit it?
Of course not. Citroen don't make the ABS system, it's bought in. What the problem will be is bleeding of the pump correctly and this is done with a dealer access tool or a lexia clone and a laptop. You can find out about the laptop here in the Lexia and OBD diagnostics on a Citroen C3 topic.


What codes did they get that leads them to ABS pump failure?
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My Name: farrelj

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Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:56 pm
Model: C3 Picasso
Year: 2009 (59)
Engine Size: 1.6
Fuel Type: Diesel
Mileage: 60000
Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: RHD (UK)
Engine name: DV6 16-valve diesel (92 PS)
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Hi Arfur,

Many thanks for the prompt response; I'll PM you shortly with the VIN.

My wife dealt with the garage and didn't get the codes unfortunately from them unfortunately.

I'll look into the Lexia diagnostics - sounds like something well worth investing in.

Regards, James.
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Engine Size: 1.4 (16v)
Fuel Type: Diesel
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Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: RHD (UK)
Engine name: DV4 16-valve diesel (90 PS)
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Engine Name: DV6ATED4 ;)

Electronic braking: ABS TEVES MK70

The MK70 is used on the C2 and the C3 and C3 Picasso
TEVES MK70 ATE ABS ECU and PUMP
TEVES MK70 ATE ABS ECU and PUMP
The ABS ECU and Pump are a combined unit and have common faults that can be repaired - including 'Wheel Speed Sensor Faults'.

A repair may well be cheaper than a new unit.

You can even find recovered and tested units of the MK70 on eBay - here.




Citroen C3 MK70 Teves ABS ECU
Citroen C3 MK70 Teves ABS ECU
The MK70 ABS ECU and PUMP off the car.
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My Name: farrelj

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Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:56 pm
Model: C3 Picasso
Year: 2009 (59)
Engine Size: 1.6
Fuel Type: Diesel
Mileage: 60000
Trim Level: Exclusive
Gearbox: Manual 5 speed
DPF: No
LHD or RHD: RHD (UK)
Engine name: DV6 16-valve diesel (92 PS)
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Amazing, many thanks for the information.

Will post back and let you's know how we get on.

Regards, James.
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