Does My C3 have a Dual Mass Flywheel - DMF - Clutch trouble

Hi,

I'm the new owner of a mk2 2010 C3 1.6 HDI Airdream, bought as a frugal motorway commuter. My only concern after test driving the car was the feel of the clutch, but I took the plunge thinking it may just be a case of getting used to the clutch..........well that and the price was right.

So, firstly the bite is very high, I'd probably say 80-90% of the travel before it bites. After a bit of reading on the forum a high bite on these isn't unheard of although a lot of the material online seems to be relating to the mk1 pre-2009. Is this the norm for the facelift models also? The car is on 120k with no evidence of a clutch change so could well be due but the car does not have the rev/slipping symptoms relating to a worn clutch apart from that high bite and a terrible feel as described below......

Secondly, on the bite the car/clutch pedal vibrates a lot, to the point where a smooth take off in 1st is a rare thing. Going through the gears when moving all seems fine it's just 1st and reverse that is not a great experience. With the pedal vibrating so much the actual biting point becomes vague and it just makes setting off a pain in the rear.

Do I have a DMF, and would the second symptom point towards a DMF issue if I do? I'm looking to get a friend mechanic to replace the clutch as a side job so I can order a clutch kit in but I'm worried the DMF will hike the bill up some what.

Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance all.

ns87 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:26 pm Hi,

I'm the new owner of a mk2 2010 C3 1.6 HDI Airdream, bought as a frugal motorway commuter. My only concern after test driving the car was the feel of the clutch, but I took the plunge thinking it may just be a case of getting used to the clutch..........well that and the price was right.

So, firstly the bite is very high, I'd probably say 80-90% of the travel before it bites. After a bit of reading on the forum a high bite on these isn't unheard of although a lot of the material online seems to be relating to the mk1 pre-2009. Is this the norm for the facelift models also? The car is on 120k with no evidence of a clutch change so could well be due but the car does not have the rev/slipping symptoms relating to a worn clutch apart from that high bite and a terrible feel as described below......

Secondly, on the bite the car/clutch pedal vibrates a lot, to the point where a smooth take off in 1st is a rare thing. Going through the gears when moving all seems fine it's just 1st and reverse that is not a great experience. With the pedal vibrating so much the actual biting point becomes vague and it just makes setting off a pain in the rear.

Do I have a DMF, and would the second symptom point towards a DMF issue if I do? I'm looking to get a friend mechanic to replace the clutch as a side job so I can order a clutch kit in but I'm worried the DMF will hike the bill up some what.

Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance all.

If you PM me your VIN , I can check to see which flywheel you have.

The grumbling takeoff is a sign of the clutch getting old and may not be the flywheel.

If you have a DMF then it would be prudent to change it when you have the clutch changed.

I'm almost sure that you don't have DMF. They were mounted on 110 and 115 hp engines. On 90/92 HP engines were mounted simple flywheels.

Hi both!

Thanks for replying......apologies it’s taken me a while to see this, I pretty much forgot about it after checking daily for a reply, and on the off chance I’ve just checked it again tonight.

Clutch is still hanging on but feels no better, so I’m guessing the inevitable is forthcoming and I’ll need to change it before it goes on me whilst on the road.

I hope you’re right Cristy79, not having to replace a dual mass as well would be the positive I can use to make me feel better about it.

Arfur Dent that’s very kind, hopefully the offer is still there and I’ll PM the VIN over tomorrow.

Again thanks both, much appreciated

ns87 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:43 pm Arfur Dent that’s very kind, hopefully the offer is still there and I’ll PM the VIN over tomorrow.

Yes

ns87 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:43 pm Clutch is still hanging on but feels no better, so I’m guessing the inevitable is forthcoming and I’ll need to change it before it goes on me whilst on the road.

Much can be said for driving it to the garage while you can. When clutches go bad, they can go bad very quickly and you may be left stranded and needing a tow off the motorway

Hi ns87

Your VIN comes back as this setup for the flywheel


which shows the flywheel as Citroen part number 0532.T2 which is a dual mass flywheel.


Citroen also identify it as FLYWHEEL NEW, DIAMETER 291 - 131 DTS, VALEO (EMBRAY).


Your C3 is (A51) 5 DOOR SALOON 1.6 HDi 92 (DV6DTED) Long manual gearbox


The 0532.T2 is available as VALEO part number: 836132 and this is stocked by German, Swedish and French (here).


And this is what 0532.T2 the C3 II dual mass flywheel looks like

Arfur Dent wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:47 pm Hi ns87

Your VIN comes back as this setup for the flywheel

Citroen_C3_A51_Dual_mass_flywheel.png



which shows the flywheel as Citroen part number 0532.T2 which is a dual mass flywheel.


Citroen also identify it as FLYWHEEL NEW, DIAMETER 291 - 131 DTS, VALEO (EMBRAY).


Your C3 is (A51) 5 DOOR SALOON 1.6 HDi 92 (DV6DTED) Long manual gearbox


The 0532.T2 is available as VALEO part number: 836132 and this is stocked by German, Swedish and French (here).


And this is what 0532.T2 the C3 II dual mass flywheel looks like


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That’s extremely comprehensive and hugely appreciated!!

So the bad news is I do seem to have a DMF, even though i’m sure sources online reference the T2 as being the solid flywheel and the Q4 that’s the Dual Mass.

GSF come in lower than I first thought for clutch and DMF though so hopefully a lesser dent on the wallet once I’ve arranged fitting costs......time to find a cooperative friend!!

Thanks again for this!!

ns87 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:15 pm That’s extremely comprehensive and hugely appreciated!!

So the bad news is I do seem to have a DMF, even though i’m sure sources online reference the T2 as being the solid flywheel and the Q4 that’s the Dual Mass.

GSF come in lower than I first thought for clutch and DMF though so hopefully a lesser dent on the wallet once I’ve arranged fitting costs......time to find a cooperative friend!!

Thanks again for this!!

You are welcome.

If you do the job yourself and you take any photos along the way (to help reassembly). You can add them to the tips section along with your story and it may help others decide on taking on the job themselves (or not )

It does look like you have DMF, but you won't be sure until you take the thing out GSF do money off vouchers if you buy online and these can help.

Arfur Dent wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:43 pm

ns87 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:15 pm That’s extremely comprehensive and hugely appreciated!!

So the bad news is I do seem to have a DMF, even though i’m sure sources online reference the T2 as being the solid flywheel and the Q4 that’s the Dual Mass.

GSF come in lower than I first thought for clutch and DMF though so hopefully a lesser dent on the wallet once I’ve arranged fitting costs......time to find a cooperative friend!!

Thanks again for this!!

You are welcome.

If you do the job yourself and you take any photos along the way (to help reassembly). You can add them to the tips section along with your story and it may help others decide on taking on the job themselves (or not )

It does look like you have DMF, but you won't be sure until you take the thing out GSF do money off vouchers if you buy online and these can help.

Yes I certainly will, at the very least I’ll get feedback on how difficult a job it was from the mechanic if I can’t rope a friend in.

Ah I nearly forgot, out of interest I rang Citroen for a quote to change both clutch and dual mass.......”you don’t have a dual mass Sir”. Service had a mechanic in the background who again confirmed that my year and engine did not have a DMF so that made me smile! I think it must be the Q4 that has the dual mass rather than the T2.

Thanks again for the help!

I think it must be the Q4 that has the dual mass rather than the T2.

Thanks, it will be great to hear how it goes.