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Hi all. Hope someone can steer me in the right direction.

Citroen C3 1.4HDi 16V Diesel. 2002

Instrument console, radio, clock, hazards is not working.

Checked and replaced fuse which was blown.

New fuses blow immediately.

What else can I check or do please.
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kosmic247 wrote:Hi all. Hope someone can steer me in the right direction.

Citroen C3 1.4HDi 16V Diesel. 2002

Instrument console, radio, clock, hazards is not working.

Checked and replaced fuse which was blown.

New fuses blow immediately.

What else can I check or do please.
Hi kosmic247. I would remove the radio and disconnect it from the car and try again (replace fuse).

Use these radio removal keys from Amazon (here) to release the radio.
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Which fuse are you replacing and are you replacing it with the the correct rating fuse?
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RADIO!

Last time I removed the radio because of a reception problem (aerial) I ended up with all sorts of other unrelated problems. I can't remember off the top of my head but had something to do with needing to be recoded and other stuff re-programmed. The car had to go to Citroen technician to get sorted.

The fuse that blew was F15 15A in/under the glove box.

So moving forward.

I'm going to try and reset the BSI computer as explained here to see if that does anything:

citroen-c3-tips/how-to-reset-the-bsi-on ... 3-t69.html

This is a car I bought for wife some time ago and I hate it. I've had all sorts of stuff go wrong with it. New computers, new indicator steering stem console, new door locks, wiper motor, etc. Seems to me that you can't replace anything on this car without having to plug it into a HAL 9000 supercomputer (2001 A Space Odyssey for the younger generation) to programme it... Then turn lights on, press buttons, wait, flash lights, don't open doors. What a stupid dumb arse way to get your car to work. I've worked on my own cars and bikes for over 35 years fixing electrical and mechanical stuff but this CAN BUS VAN BUS OS system is a pile of crap! Rant over.

Thanks for replies.
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Well that didn't seem to work.

My guess is that it's a short circuit somewhere. Where... any ones guess. Just hope it's not the BSI that's kaput.
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kosmic247 wrote:Last time I removed the radio because of a reception problem (aerial) I ended up with all sorts of other unrelated problems. I can't remember off the top of my head but had something to do with needing to be recoded and other stuff re-programmed. The car had to go to Citroen technician to get sorted.

The fuse that blew was F15 15A in/under the glove box.
Be brave and pull the radio again.
kosmic247 wrote:Well that didn't seem to work.

Where... any ones guess. Just hope it's not the BSI that's kaput.
BSI reset won't fix it.

Disconnect Radio,

Then try A/C panel - you need the radio out for that anyway

Then you will be disconnecting the display on the dash, but this will be the last thing to try.
kosmic247 wrote:My guess is that it's a short circuit somewhere.
You are correct. That is why fuses blow and its not going to be a computer reset type of fault. Its going to be chafed and burned cables on the back of the radio or something like that.
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Thanks for reply.

OK to give you the lowdown.

I have washed my hands of it after her indoors has asked me not to meddle anymore, OR REMOVE THE RADIO :lol: She's said "If you remove the radio and fuxX anything up it's coming out of your pocket". She has booked the car in to Citroen for them to look at on the understanding that the cost for repair is coming out of her account and not from the joint account. She is happy with this decision... Her bank account may not be so happy.

Mean while I've just made a radio removal tool from some steel rod. Just need her to go out now.... Shhhh don't tell the misses. ;)

Thanks again.
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kosmic247 wrote:Mean while I've just made a radio removal tool from some steel rod. Just need her to go out now.... Shhhh don't tell the misses. ;)
Mums the word ;)
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Update.

Removed and unplugged the radio... replaced fuse and it blew straight away.

Checked what I could see of the loom for hot and chaffed wires.

Removed plug to dash... replaced fuse and blew straight away.

Removed another plug. Might have been something to do with heater and controls... At this point I was starting not to care :-( ... replaced fuse and it blew straight away.

Plugged everything back in and started car. Dash still not working.

Dash now gives three bleeps either before driving or shortly after driving off. Don't know what this bleep means as the dash is not working.

Wife took car to Citreon yesterday morning.

Speaking on the phone to them they did the same as listed above. Diagnostics tell them there is a fault with the switch for the passenger airbag. They have ordered this and will retest after fitting new switch.

If this doesn't rectify the fault they say they need to remove the hole dash.

So far my wife's bank account is owing Citroen £150 work and parts.
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If all the components on the problem circuit have been removed it's beginning to sound like either a fault in the BSI or the wiring.

I'd be interested to know if the connector on the BSI which carries this circuit has been removed.

I would do that to check a) that the fuse doesn't blow with the wiring not connected and b) to measure the resistance of the circuit.

With a really sensitive digital multimeter you can track down shorts by measuring resistance in a circuit at different points, ideally everything else need to be disconnected from the wiring to do this. The point with the lowest resistance is the closest to the short (if it is indeed a wiring fault). You need at least a 4.5 digit meter to do this.

Removing the dash sounds drastic but I guess they would do that to carry out a visual inspection of the wiring loom. I suppose they are thinking of workshop time (or creating a bigger bill :lol: )
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