Whirring/whining noise in 1st to 3rd gear

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Hi people,

My wife's 04 plate C3 1.6 16V Sensodrive has always had a bit of a whine in 1st/2nd. Recently the noise has got worse & affects 1st, 2nd & 3rd gear. As soon as it changes to 4th the noise goes & 5th is fine too. You get the noise back as it icks down to 3rd & all the way back to 1st. If anything the kickdown/slowdown noise is worse than the acceleration one. I've changed the gearbox oil without affect. I've jacked it up & run it with the front wheels off the ground & no whirring noise so it seems to be only when under load.

Any help appreciated!
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zebedee2001 wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 4:28 pm I've changed the gearbox oil without affect.
Hi zebedee2001, how did the old oil compare to the new oil?

You can tell a bit about the condition of the box from the oil.
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Oil stank! Had a black tinge to it. There wasn't a magnet on the end of the drain plug. I wonder if the magnet has been injested into the gearbox! No metal fragments came out with the oil.
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Gearbox oil does have its own unique smell, but if it is different from the smelly fresh stuff you have a problem.

A black tinge doesn't sound good either.

I would imagine a second hand, decent box would be a way forward. Fixing parts in gearboxes is not usually economical for the C3.
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Well in about a fortnights time I'm going to remove the box & see what's what. (got a holiday in between, hence delay).....
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Anybody got a link to the exploded diagrams of the gearbox? Started taking it apart & I think they would help! It looks like the input shaft bearing has gone....
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Anybody know if item 16 in the attached draiwing is fitted to C3 sensodrive gearboxes? The attached image
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is from a foreign 206 gearbox re-assembly procedure & is the only MA rebuild documents I can find. My gearbox doesn't appear to have it or I have lost it! Need to find out which case I have! There is another difference with the selector but I know I haven't lost any bits of that!
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zebedee2001 wrote: Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:23 pm Anybody know if item 16 in the attached draiwing is fitted to C3 sensodrive gearboxes? The attached image
It doesn't appear in my diagram for a 2009 MA sensodrive gearbox fitted to the C3.

The reverse gear (6) and its retaining shaft (7) doesn't show the bearing device that your diagram shows.

This would make sense because its very unlikely yours would be missing or lost :shock:
MA gearbox fitted to sensodrive Citroen C3 reverse gear DIAGRAM
MA gearbox fitted to sensodrive Citroen C3 reverse gear DIAGRAM
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The number for the above diagram referring to C3 sensodrive MA gearbox

01
2311 V5
RP 2310 C5
2311 N3
(2 possible parts fitted)

02
2372 23
GEAR-BOX SHAFT BEARING
25X52X15

03
2373 17
GEAR-BOX SHAFT BEARING
DIAM 25X62X17

04
2318 94
BEARING LOCK PLATE

05
2313 62
MANUAL GR-BX BEARING PLAT SCRW
DIAM 8X125-15

06
2381 44
MANUAL GR-BX REVERS SLIDG GEAR

07
2382 40
MANUAL G-BOX REVERS RET SHAFT

70
6979 29
(MUL) STOP RING
20X18,3-2

71
6962 36
(MUL) FLEXIBLE WASHER
20X33-1.4
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